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and good evening everyone welcome to

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arcane radio i'm sean the fork chop

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forker joined by lon strickler

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and right off the bat our good guest our

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good friend he's always around mr butch

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watkowski butch lon thanks for joining

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me tonight got a busy show ahead

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yeah there's gonna be a falling tonight

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always always so guys without wasting

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any time let's get into what we're

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talking about tonight because we've got

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a lot of people in the chat room a lot

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of people listening and they want to

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talk about

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dog man and what's been happening uh

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recently so lon butch who wants to start

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it off

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oh well i'll let you fly first yeah what

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the hell's been happening what's been

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going on with dog man all of a sudden

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you know that's the question we gotta

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answer ask

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uh you know this flap or whatever the

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hell you wanna call it

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there have been uh inordinate amount of

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sightings of bipedal type canids

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in the central pa area in the past

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well you know i i guess it's been longer

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than that but

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we're getting a lot of reports even a

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few older reports in the past maybe six

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and um some of the reports

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have been very interesting and we did

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have some people volunteered to go out

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and talk to a couple of the um

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the witnesses uh

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and uh it it they saw something there's

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it's just a matter of what the hell they

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and this dull man phenomena has been

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something that's been going on

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in pennsylvania and other parts of the

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world especially

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in the upper midwest in pennsylvania and

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a few other areas nationwide but uh

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we got something going on here butch

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yeah

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and and the thing is i mean all the

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reports are so similar

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uh in description of the the creature

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we have no idea what we're looking at

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from all the reports

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we know that it is bipedal it has

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wolf-like features it has dog-like

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it is massive in size

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it is very muscular

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and it's not something that people see

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and it runs away

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it's basically in some of the reports

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it's followed it walks in front of

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uh the gentleman that approached it with

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a vehicle i mean it actually

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like he said it didn't look very

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when his headlights finally hit it

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he got scared you know he and he and he

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professed to everybody in the reports

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that he said i don't care what you guys

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think of what you guys say he said i

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have seen werewolf

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so are we dealing with this

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identification of a bigfoot are we

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dealing with a big

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um dog man kite creature are we dealing

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a wolf type creature are we dealing with

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a skin walker

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um we don't know so

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i don't know if it is bigfoot butch i

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mean we've talked about it on the show

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the last couple weeks and we've been

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off the scenes for a while the

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footprints don't match up from what

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the witnesses description don't really

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is very different

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body anything like that just give him a

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little bit of a snout and that's what i

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a sasquatch and he got no absolutely not

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that stuff so

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we really don't know what we're looking

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like you said the tracks are different

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of people describing the exact same

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sightings back in the 1800s early 1900s

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the 60s we have a documentation of

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uh and they all they all tell you the

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it's got a muscular body a thin waist a

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dog body to it it has the uh backward

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two legs so there you go and some are

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but there's no protocol for this i mean

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you know there's protocol to go out and

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search for bigfoot there's protocol for

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paranormal there's protocol for ufo i

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mean how to conduct an investigation

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there's nothing for this so on our end

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you know the best thing to do is just

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you know get together an expedition

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everything we got and go out and hunt

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gonna set up a base camp um you know we

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that area and they've seen impressions

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they're not saying footprints they're

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there's just no protocol for this so

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we're just going to take everything we

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see what happens yeah i think you're i

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investigations are going to tell a lot

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on how to proceed on what's going on

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county area right correct yes that's

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a uh a video that was just a couple

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in that in that area that reported a

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of last year that was an allegheny state

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uh either on film or through evidence

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the water port of the guy driving home

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get some information out of that way but

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you know and however we obtain it and

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whatever we have to use

286
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we're just going to use so we're going

287
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to be up there for three days and

288
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and uh you know see we come up with and

289
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we'll be in constant contact of course

290
00:10:51,590 --> 00:10:50,240
with you know you

291
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lon back there in case we need any

292
00:10:57,430 --> 00:10:53,839
information uh either by

293
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internet or by phone so um

294
00:11:01,030 --> 00:10:59,680
you know the and there's the history of

295
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the whole area

296
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is just so weird the more you look into

297
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it

298
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because of course you know up until 1754

299
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there were no white men in that area

300
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that was strictly indigenous

301
00:11:15,750 --> 00:11:14,399
there were quite a number of tribes so

302
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you have

303
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you know tons of burial mounds and i'm

304
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not saying we're talking talking about a

305
00:11:23,190 --> 00:11:21,040
skinwalker i'm just saying

306
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that would play into the equation you

307
00:11:26,630 --> 00:11:24,160
know just like

308
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anything else in this wood but you have

309
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barrel mounds all over the place

310
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actually one of the places we're going

311
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is sacred ground

312
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we've got all that information which

313
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we've contacted

314
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from a cherokee clan out in oklahoma

315
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that's given us a lot of information

316
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what to look for and so

317
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armed with all the information and and

318
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quite a few months of investigation and

319
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notes and

320
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everything else we can put together maps

321
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and topo maps and all that

322
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i'm just hoping it yields some direction

323
00:12:00,150 --> 00:11:57,519
anyway that

324
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if we can't get a whole lot where we're

325
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going this time

326
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many people will help us the next spot

327
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we go to

328
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so yeah you've definitely you know put

329
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the research into this

330
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and the thought and the planning going

331
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into this guys

332
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so let's step back just a moment and

333
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talk about some of the cases that are

334
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really getting us

335
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to this area lon this started a few

336
00:12:23,350 --> 00:12:20,639
months back and we've been getting

337
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dogman sightings for a while

338
00:12:28,310 --> 00:12:26,639
what what prompted this uh the series of

339
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events you know what was the genesis of

340
00:12:33,509 --> 00:12:28,720
this

341
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that state game land sighting that was

342
00:12:36,949 --> 00:12:34,959
sent to butch

343
00:12:38,710 --> 00:12:36,959
was he actually one of guys thinking

344
00:12:41,509 --> 00:12:38,720
about what was going on

345
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and um i mean this was new to butch as

346
00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:42,079
well

347
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i don't think i don't know how many doll

348
00:12:53,990 --> 00:12:51,110
there you go this was in the state game

349
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land 331 which is

350
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in clearfield county pennsylvania uh

351
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it's near penfield penfield pa

352
00:13:08,470 --> 00:13:04,720
and uh this gentleman who was uh

353
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walking his two weimaraner dogs

354
00:13:13,269 --> 00:13:11,279
uh but you know they were just in there

355
00:13:15,110 --> 00:13:13,279
walking about and this damn thing just

356
00:13:17,190 --> 00:13:15,120
pops out of nowhere

357
00:13:18,629 --> 00:13:17,200
and he described as eight to ten foot

358
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tall

359
00:13:22,550 --> 00:13:21,200
weight unknown large strides short hair

360
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dark colored

361
00:13:26,710 --> 00:13:25,680
most likely brown but very dark thought

362
00:13:28,790 --> 00:13:26,720
that

363
00:13:32,829 --> 00:13:28,800
uh it may be a bigfoot but had a

364
00:13:37,030 --> 00:13:35,269
now you know

365
00:13:38,389 --> 00:13:37,040
the fact that this and you know this is

366
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just this is like a

367
00:13:43,509 --> 00:13:41,600
lot of other cryptid sightings we get uh

368
00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:43,519
it just comes from nowhere and that's

369
00:13:47,670 --> 00:13:45,760
basically what happened this deal

370
00:13:49,189 --> 00:13:47,680
uh it just showed up you know he was

371
00:13:51,269 --> 00:13:49,199
walking the dogs and

372
00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:51,279
to his i believe to his right the thing

373
00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:53,600
just popped up

374
00:13:58,150 --> 00:13:56,320
uh yeah what happened when the guy's

375
00:13:58,870 --> 00:13:58,160
walking his dogs the dogs stop and they

376
00:14:00,550 --> 00:13:58,880
start

377
00:14:02,230 --> 00:14:00,560
going crazy they want to tear into the

378
00:14:03,590 --> 00:14:02,240
right-hand side of the wooded area off a

379
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fire trail

380
00:14:06,870 --> 00:14:05,440
and of course the first thing comes is

381
00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:06,880
mine because he's walked there many

382
00:14:11,670 --> 00:14:08,639
times lives in the area all his life

383
00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:11,680
hunted that area all his life retired

384
00:14:16,710 --> 00:14:13,120
airline and military

385
00:14:18,550 --> 00:14:16,720
pilot and he says you know first thing

386
00:14:19,269 --> 00:14:18,560
he thought was well it's a possum skunk

387
00:14:21,189 --> 00:14:19,279
raccoon

388
00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:21,199
maybe a bear it could be anything the

389
00:14:25,670 --> 00:14:23,360
dogs go nuts every now and then

390
00:14:27,189 --> 00:14:25,680
but then as this whatever was coming

391
00:14:28,150 --> 00:14:27,199
through the woods which he did not see

392
00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:28,160
at that point

393
00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:30,320
the dogs were following it you know they

394
00:14:36,069 --> 00:14:32,160
kept moving to their left

395
00:14:39,430 --> 00:14:36,079
and when it steps out onto the um

396
00:14:39,910 --> 00:14:39,440
fire trail it walks across the fire

397
00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:39,920
trail

398
00:14:42,389 --> 00:14:41,360
of course the dogs wanting to get out of

399
00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:42,399
something terrible by now they're

400
00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:43,680
digging holes in the ground

401
00:14:47,670 --> 00:14:45,760
trying to get away from the their

402
00:14:48,550 --> 00:14:47,680
handler and get to this creature they

403
00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:48,560
see it

404
00:14:52,389 --> 00:14:52,000
he sees it he describes it it walks into

405
00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:52,399
the

406
00:14:58,629 --> 00:14:55,440
walks in

407
00:15:00,150 --> 00:14:58,639
and that area is very thick i was just

408
00:15:01,829 --> 00:15:00,160
out at the hill view conference

409
00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:01,839
out there and coming back we went right

410
00:15:05,910 --> 00:15:03,680
past that kind of area

411
00:15:07,430 --> 00:15:05,920
and it was broad daylight and the fellow

412
00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:07,440
riding with me one of my researchers

413
00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:09,120
looks over he says look into that woods

414
00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:12,639
and it was black and we were only

415
00:15:15,670 --> 00:15:14,959
at the most 25 30 yards from the edge of

416
00:15:18,150 --> 00:15:15,680
the woods

417
00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:18,160
on the highway and you couldn't see i

418
00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:19,600
mean you could have 50 people standing

419
00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:21,120
there nude flashing you

420
00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:24,480
and you wouldn't seen anybody and

421
00:15:27,670 --> 00:15:25,760
another researcher which just up there

422
00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:27,680
recently said the same thing it's a very

423
00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:28,880
dense black

424
00:15:34,389 --> 00:15:32,480
dark area so the guy goes back to his

425
00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:34,399
truck he retrieves a handgun he goes

426
00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:36,079
back up

427
00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:37,920
and he goes into the right hand side he

428
00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:39,600
sees nothing no footprints no broken

429
00:15:42,470 --> 00:15:40,480
leaves drop

430
00:15:43,590 --> 00:15:42,480
bushes or anything down goes to the

431
00:15:45,749 --> 00:15:43,600
other side nothing

432
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:45,759
okay goes back and tells his buddies now

433
00:15:49,670 --> 00:15:46,959
the whole time this is going on he's

434
00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:49,680
keeping in contact with me by phone

435
00:15:52,069 --> 00:15:50,880
he says we're going to go out tomorrow

436
00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:52,079
morning take a better look and we're

437
00:15:54,310 --> 00:15:52,959
going to go armed

438
00:15:56,550 --> 00:15:54,320
and i'm going like i don't think that's

439
00:15:58,069 --> 00:15:56,560
such a good idea you know all i can see

440
00:15:59,269 --> 00:15:58,079
is these guys mounting a 50 caliber on

441
00:16:02,150 --> 00:15:59,279
the truck

442
00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:02,160
and so they go out and he calls me they

443
00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:02,800
uh

444
00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:04,320
just before noon they left he called me

445
00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:05,839
and said they were leaving and he'd get

446
00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:07,040
back to me and it wasn't

447
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:09,680
too much after that maybe 45 minutes he

448
00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:10,959
got back and he says i want to tell you

449
00:16:14,949 --> 00:16:12,399
something butch

450
00:16:16,069 --> 00:16:14,959
he says what we did was went to the spot

451
00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:16,079
we could see the spot because the holes

452
00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:17,279
were there from where the dogs was we

453
00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:19,199
walked into the right went in through

454
00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:21,120
quite a distance nothing walked into the

455
00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:22,240
other side where the

456
00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:25,040
creature went into he was saying we got

457
00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:26,639
in 20 30 yards he said that's where we

458
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:28,000
stopped he said we all had the same

459
00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:29,279
feeling we need to get out of here we

460
00:16:32,069 --> 00:16:30,720
need to get out of here right now

461
00:16:33,670 --> 00:16:32,079
and we packed out where our weapons

462
00:16:34,550 --> 00:16:33,680
pointed forward and backed all the way

463
00:16:35,829 --> 00:16:34,560
to the truck

464
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:35,839
and he said i want to tell you something

465
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:38,720
son he says i am never going back there

466
00:16:40,629 --> 00:16:39,199
again

467
00:16:42,389 --> 00:16:40,639
because if we would have stayed

468
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:42,399
something really really bad was going to

469
00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:43,279
happen

470
00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:45,120
and we've seen that in other reports

471
00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:51,990
so well you know and and and

472
00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:55,600
that specific location had some weird

473
00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:57,440
stuff going on anyway

474
00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:58,959
yeah but the weirdest thing about the

475
00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:00,320
whole thing is when he sees this

476
00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:02,800
creature walk out across the road

477
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:04,480
now i don't know about you guys but if i

478
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:06,079
got two dogs the size of y miranda's

479
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:07,199
wanting to tear at me

480
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:09,120
i'm looking for the tallest tree that i

481
00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:11,760
can get my hand up into

482
00:17:15,189 --> 00:17:14,000
this creature did not look at him it did

483
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:15,199
not look at the dogs

484
00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:17,280
it just walked out straight ahead and

485
00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:18,959
walked into the other side like he never

486
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:24,069
weird yeah we've heard that type of

487
00:17:28,789 --> 00:17:25,280
thing before

488
00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:28,799
uh you know with other cryptids and i

489
00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:29,360
mean

490
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:31,840
especially bigfoot they seem to show up

491
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,360
and they act like

492
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:35,280
you know they know that nobody's looking

493
00:17:39,669 --> 00:17:36,400
at them

494
00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:39,679
and they just can you know can go

495
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:41,679
in their own way and not look back and

496
00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:43,200
just keep walking

497
00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:46,080
yeah this guy said it walked across like

498
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:56,310
and it's very strange bizarre it is odd

499
00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:58,480
so you know you know and you know in

500
00:18:01,669 --> 00:18:00,559
clearfield like we we've been looking

501
00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:01,679
into a lot of this

502
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:05,440
that that clear fuel area was the very

503
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:09,120
heavy uh lenny lenape area

504
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:12,320
uh delaware indians basically yeah uh

505
00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:14,000
they had some of the biggest their

506
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:16,400
largest uh

507
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:18,799
village was right in where clearfield is

508
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:19,679
today

509
00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:22,799
the city of clear field and they have

510
00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:27,200
a uh a wendingo type wendigo type

511
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:30,480
creature in their folklore and it it's

512
00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:32,480
an odd looking thing i i've seen

513
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:34,000
pictures of it

514
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:38,080
and they say it's about 15 foot tall

515
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:40,720
it has it's got the skin of a bear and a

516
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:42,400
large face

517
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:44,640
and it guards you know it supposedly

518
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:46,880
guards the forest

519
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:48,559
well you know that's nothing like a skin

520
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:50,480
walker that's something

521
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:54,160
that's something else yeah because yeah

522
00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:55,120
everything we found out about

523
00:18:57,990 --> 00:18:57,200
skinwalkers are that the you know what

524
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:58,000
they are in

525
00:19:01,909 --> 00:19:00,000
in the lore of the indigenous are that

526
00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:01,919
they are shaman

527
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:03,600
who have basically gone to the other

528
00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:05,600
side and to get to the other side

529
00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:08,240
uh they have to kill a family member and

530
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:09,840
they do it for power

531
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:14,240
they do it for prestige and um

532
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:17,360
they can shape shift at will

533
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:20,160
they can turn into anything they want

534
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:20,720
most

535
00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:22,640
predominant turn that they do is they

536
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:24,559
turn into a wolf

537
00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:26,799
so it's like a man wolf but not a i'm

538
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:27,840
not talking about a werewolf

539
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,679
this is this would have the body of a

540
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:30,960
man but

541
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:37,280
legs would have the feet and the hands

542
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:41,520
of a man but like kind of in between

543
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:44,880
a human and a wolf if that makes any

544
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:45,840
sense

545
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:49,360
and they are they fear nothing

546
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:52,080
they can pop up anywhere at any time

547
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:53,440
they could walk into your camp and be

548
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:54,320
talking to you

549
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:56,480
and you wouldn't know it according to

550
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,080
the cherokee that i've spoken to the

551
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:00,400
shaman and the chief

552
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,559
so you know he said you know if you've

553
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,320
got somebody just walks into your camp

554
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:06,080
say hello they said the other thing

555
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,600
making small talk

556
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:09,360
uh there's things you need to look for

557
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:11,280
and he says things they can't hide

558
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:15,360
which is like shaggy dirty matted hair

559
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,640
unkept shifty eyes stiffing

560
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:20,480
constantly at the wind like they're

561
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:22,880
sniffing like an animal would sniff game

562
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:25,200
he said those are things they can't hide

563
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:26,720
uh but

564
00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:29,840
although that really makes it a colorful

565
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,919
colorful colorful story i i just don't

566
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:35,360
think that that's what we're dealing

567
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:36,320
with

568
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:39,679
i lean more toward the dogman thesis

569
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:42,159
because there are so many reports

570
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:43,760
but then you got to throw that in there

571
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:45,600
because a lot of these reports they

572
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,240
describe

573
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:49,440
it as a the face of a wolf

574
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:52,240
or the ears or tail or or you know i

575
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,360
don't know about

576
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,520
anybody out there but if i see something

577
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:57,360
seven or eight feet coming at me

578
00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:59,919
and it looks like a wolf and it has

579
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:01,600
hands that can hold me while it starts

580
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:02,559
chewing on me

581
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,799
i'm gonna be a little upset you know i'm

582
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,000
just sitting here thinking about

583
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:08,480
15 feet so the the ceiling in the studio

584
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:09,280
is about 15

585
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:12,799
16 feet tall and i'm just looking up and

586
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:16,080
holy crap that's immense

587
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,600
and and when you think of somebody

588
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:19,679
seeing something eight to ten feet tall

589
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:20,559
right

590
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:24,559
realistically if we look at that we're

591
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,840
still probably looking more along the

592
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,080
lines of seven to seven and a half

593
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,320
i mean i think we we sometimes have a

594
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:32,000
tendency to to blow heights out of

595
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:33,200
proportion but

596
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:35,280
even seven and a half feet tall guys is

597
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:36,559
huge it's still

598
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:39,679
massive and the weight description on

599
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:41,840
these things is nothing to be trifled

600
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,799
with either

601
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,159
so you're looking at something that's

602
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,320
got some real power behind it

603
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,799
and i don't know how you know you know

604
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,559
we take this from you know a skeptical

605
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,799
point of view how people

606
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,960
you know that's a massive hallucination

607
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,559
i mean i want to know what kind of

608
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,240
hardcore drugs they're doing to see

609
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:59,760
something like that

610
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:00,880
well that and they've been doing it

611
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,280
since the 1800s

612
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:05,280
if that's if you know if if we start to

613
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,400
look at it like that

614
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,919
we have to be skeptical that's number

615
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:09,440
one and and

616
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,640
uh but you know i i found a

617
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,320
uh it's kind of hard to find but i did

618
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,559
find a picture of a gray wolf

619
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:18,720
now a gray wolf measures from nose to

620
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,840
tail up

621
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,679
to butt not tail forget the tail just

622
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:24,000
nose to butt at six foot

623
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:27,760
i found a picture of one standing up

624
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:31,440
on its hind legs and

625
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:38,870
but it didn't walk away i think it just

626
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:46,710
of a wolf rehabilitation center out that

627
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:47,760
way

628
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,760
yeah there is uh but they're

629
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:53,360
they're almost domesticated you know

630
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:55,120
what i mean

631
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,240
they're not something you're going to

632
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,640
encounter in the wild i don't imagine

633
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:00,799
they're walking on two legs either

634
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,799
uh no no but it's it's just

635
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:06,880
these cases are just too weird to just

636
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,000
ignore them

637
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,000
i mean the the people that are giving

638
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,159
the reports are very credible

639
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,480
uh we haven't had any yet that we even

640
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:16,159
questioned amongst ourselves as being

641
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:17,200
credible

642
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,240
uh it's just at the point now where you

643
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,919
know we can talk and research about it

644
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,039
all we want but

645
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,559
it's going to take boots on the ground

646
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,240
to go to these places

647
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,200
and see what's what and what's in the

648
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,880
area

649
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:37,360
and see if there's anything we can find

650
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,720
uh see if there's anything we can

651
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:40,159
capture on film or

652
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,520
video or with infrared or or thermal

653
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,360
imaging devices and we'll have two of

654
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:47,440
those there so

655
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:51,520
we'll have excellent night vision and

656
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,799
from everything i read at least what i

657
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:56,640
could find

658
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:00,159
these things are more apt to be out at

659
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:03,200
night than they are during the day

660
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:07,520
um because if they if if it is something

661
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,390
how should i say if it's something

662
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,400
that's just nocturnal then you would

663
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:16,320
almost have to take a bunch of reports

664
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:16,960
that were

665
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:21,200
the daytime and throw them away and you

666
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,640
can't do that

667
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,799
because you know people see what they

668
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,919
see

669
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,520
and what always amazes me with some of

670
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:29,039
these reports a matter of fact a good

671
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:30,080
bunch of them

672
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,600
is where people say this right off the

673
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,679
get-go this was no bigfoot

674
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,400
this was no sasquatch this was a dog

675
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,000
that was walking upright that was very

676
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:40,640
big very large and very ugly

677
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,159
now you know i can find those reports

678
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:46,000
all across the country

679
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:49,520
i can find them in europe south america

680
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:53,360
so it is amazing

681
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,279
well you know it has been interesting to

682
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,279
me

683
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,200
before we started getting these number

684
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:02,880
reports

685
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,760
coming in all of a sudden from pa we

686
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:07,520
were getting a lot of reports in

687
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:11,760
ontario manitoba upper midwest

688
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:14,559
and of course the report that stan

689
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:15,440
gordon

690
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,240
forwarded me from the uh lakewood

691
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:20,799
colorado area outside of denver

692
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:24,400
and um the one

693
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:27,600
uh doll man i call the lake lake liquid

694
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:31,120
lichen uh that jack harry and jc johnson

695
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,080
are

696
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,720
investigating and and look what you know

697
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:36,000
linda had a case from

698
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,840
cumberland county sure yeah yeah she did

699
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,200
yeah so

700
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:45,200
we've got you know all these counties

701
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,720
like

702
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,320
and and they all seem to have one thing

703
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:49,919
in common they do have deep

704
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,200
dark woods you know there's certain

705
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,880
areas of pennsylvania that are just

706
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,880
unbelievably deep and dark and there's

707
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:58,080
other areas where you know you could

708
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,440
take a nice hike walk around and look at

709
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,960
a lot of things see a lot of animals

710
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,480
but there are places you can go in this

711
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,159
state where you know

712
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,840
you walk five ten feet in there and get

713
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:07,360
separated from the guy behind you and

714
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:08,799
you gotta start yelling because

715
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,919
you can't see them oh yeah i've been to

716
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,520
some of those places in pennsylvania

717
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,360
where the woods are so

718
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,240
so deep and dark that you want a buddy

719
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,919
to go along with you

720
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:22,240
and some of those areas are just some

721
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,679
old-growth forests that have been around

722
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:25,279
for a long time that haven't really been

723
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:26,080
touched or

724
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,520
logged or you know out in uh cook's

725
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,760
cooksburg forest i believe out that way

726
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,520
some of the trees are so large you can't

727
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:35,200
even wrap your arms around them

728
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,640
so you still have some areas of

729
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:38,559
pennsylvania that are untouched

730
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,480
and uh are very rough terrain

731
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,159
well pennsylvania's got a lot of you

732
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,159
know rhododendron

733
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,640
and laurel and it just tends to make it

734
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,880
really thick and hard to see in there

735
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,880
and i mean that was one that was one

736
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:54,559
thing that just used to

737
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,600
make things that when i used to go

738
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:57,120
hunting wasn't making things hard for me

739
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,480
it was the laurel

740
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,919
i mean you know how that is you start

741
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,760
getting what you think is a

742
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:04,320
trail and this thing goes to nothing and

743
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,960
you've got

744
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,559
stuff all over you you know you can't

745
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,200
you can't find your way back

746
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,600
uh they are sick you got that

747
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:13,919
undergrowth that'll rip your pants off

748
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:17,120
yeah yeah and and you know uh

749
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,799
so could something be

750
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,200
uh living in that area or manifesting in

751
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:25,200
that area however you want to say it

752
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,559
yeah easily and i you know uh

753
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,399
probably be i mean how many times have

754
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,679
you walked by an animal while you were

755
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,960
hunting i know i did i walked by a

756
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:34,240
coyote one time he was only three foot

757
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,440
away from me i never saw him

758
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,200
the guy behind me saw him after he

759
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:39,200
started moving but i walked by him

760
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,159
i never saw him i never even took a

761
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:44,640
glance at him i walked right by him

762
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,120
so i you know it's just

763
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,640
the only thing i can come up with is

764
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,399
just get people on the ground

765
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:54,000
get all the stuff out that we can

766
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:55,440
anything scientific anything

767
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,240
photographic

768
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:58,799
anything that we can and just try to

769
00:28:03,430 --> 00:27:59,919
capture something

770
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:03,440
i mean it could be a shadow

771
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:06,960
you know on our on our infrared or

772
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:10,159
on our thermal devices

773
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,760
it could be a hot spot it could be a

774
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,279
cold spot

775
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,679
it could be pretty much anything we

776
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:20,070
well there's only one way to do it just

777
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:21,679
load up and go do it

778
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,200
the next signing in uh clearfield county

779
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:27,120
was kind of the one that got us going on

780
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,640
this you know we had this other one we

781
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,159
were looking at

782
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:32,080
but uh you know i got an email from a

783
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:35,600
guy he said i saw a werewolf

784
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,640
that's nice then i then he said i uh i

785
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,559
live in a small town called penfield

786
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,480
pennsylvania and i'm thinking myself

787
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:44,480
uh-oh

788
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:47,679
what's going on well we just got playing

789
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:48,720
game with me or whatever

790
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,960
and now well before we get into that

791
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,640
let's take our first break of the night

792
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:56,080
here it might be our only break of the

793
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:56,960
night

794
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,600
and smoke them if you got them uh do

795
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,960
whatever you need to folks we'll be back

796
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,480
in just a couple minutes shawn forker

797
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:04,960
lon strickler and butch witkowski

798
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,269
and welcome back folks arcane radio sean

799
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,279
forker launch strickler and our guest

800
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,520
tonight mr butch wokkowski

801
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,880
and gentlemen before we took a break

802
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:20,080
we're getting ready to talk about the

803
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,520
incidents in penfield

804
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:23,279
which is right outside clearfield uh

805
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,880
pennsylvania

806
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,880
and uh you know guys a couple weeks ago

807
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,480
lon you and i have been talking on the

808
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,720
air and off the air that i was worried

809
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,880
that by you know talking about these

810
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:34,640
cases on the air we were going to create

811
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,159
a sensation

812
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,799
i'm glad i've been wrong on that uh but

813
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,480
more so uh

814
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,919
when you thought we would get more

815
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:43,919
sightings reports coming in because of

816
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:46,000
how much we've been talking about it

817
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:47,440
it hasn't been the quantity of the

818
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,799
reports that have been coming in it's

819
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:50,320
been the quality

820
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,919
of the reports well i think i think for

821
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,039
the most part

822
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:56,960
some of the reports we got were high

823
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,200
quality reports and uh

824
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:01,279
especially like the one this this one

825
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:04,159
i'm going to read about in penfield

826
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:07,279
and the um the uh

827
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,679
one report at uh in portage pa which

828
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,679
stands up turned out to be two reports

829
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,600
in the same location from two different

830
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,880
witnesses

831
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,120
and of course the another one which is

832
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,679
in blair county outside of holidaysburg

833
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,520
so uh yeah and they were all quality

834
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:25,360
reports

835
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:28,640
so well let me go ahead and introduce

836
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,679
this uh deciding that this kind of got

837
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:33,360
us going

838
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:37,760
like i said before yeah i um

839
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:41,520
i you know i got this email and i think

840
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,320
it was i don't know

841
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,720
what was it just about august i guess i

842
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:46,000
got it i know

843
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,880
the incident was in late july definitely

844
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,720
but he said i saw a werewolf and i'm

845
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:52,080
thinking okay here we go

846
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:54,080
you know another one hello i live in a

847
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:55,520
small town called penfield

848
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,799
in clearfield county pennsylvania

849
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,480
well right out the back i'm thinking now

850
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,480
is somebody

851
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:05,200
you know pulling my leg or whatever

852
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,080
because that's

853
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,960
not far from where you know the one that

854
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,039
butch god came you know came from so

855
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,880
this encounter happened in late july

856
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,960
this year in 2015.

857
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:17,679
i was driving home from work on boy

858
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:18,080
scout

859
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,960
road in penfield i used to stick to the

860
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:23,279
main roads when driving home

861
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,679
to some time take a back road to take in

862
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,799
the scenery

863
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,559
now as i was coming around the bend i

864
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,840
saw a large brownish tan

865
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,120
creature crouching on the side of the

866
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:35,600
road now this is daytime

867
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,799
uh this was a late afternoon i slowed

868
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,559
down to get a better look

869
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,399
that's when it turned its head towards

870
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,000
my vehicle

871
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:47,360
it had a large head and yellow glow in

872
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:48,159
its eyes

873
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,440
and a long nose i

874
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,120
couldn't i couldn't believe what i was

875
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,279
looking at he was eating roadkill

876
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,320
and i believe it was a deer now at that

877
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,000
point i slammed my foot on the gas

878
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:02,480
pedal and didn't let off the gas still

879
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:04,159
reach my home

880
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,840
and then jump the other car and ran into

881
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,760
my house and lock my doors

882
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,600
i grabbed my rifle from my closet and

883
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:11,760
loaded it i went in my basement and took

884
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,000
out a silver letter opener

885
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,840
that i'd gotten that my grandfather

886
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:17,200
passed away

887
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,480
so this guy's freaking out well anyway

888
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,159
he later said i haven't seen anything

889
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,600
since

890
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,279
but i would like to add that about a

891
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:26,720
month prior to this

892
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:30,960
i was at a local minute mark getting gas

893
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:33,360
a game commissioner officer pulled up to

894
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,480
the next pump

895
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:36,799
attached to his truck was a trailer and

896
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:37,919
in that trailer was an

897
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:41,440
elk a lot of elk have radio collars and

898
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,000
when one

899
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,240
dies it's the game commissioner's job to

900
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:47,200
figure out how it died and take samples

901
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,799
so i asked the man i said what had

902
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,799
happened to it you know it was about a

903
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:52,480
young elk about two to three years at

904
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,519
most

905
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:55,440
it looked fine to me except for the fact

906
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:58,399
that it's throat was slit

907
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,279
he told me that he had no clue and that

908
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,120
when he found it the collar had been

909
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:05,919
it had been wearing was about 10 foot

910
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,240
away

911
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,080
he said at first they thought it was a

912
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,640
bear as it was the only animal around

913
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:14,320
there that large enough to take one

914
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:18,000
down a bull elk but there was no

915
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:21,360
evidence indicating a bear plus he told

916
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:21,679
me

917
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,880
the cut on the throat was too clean

918
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,640
after that conversation i didn't think

919
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,480
too much about it until i saw this thing

920
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:29,760
the other night

921
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:33,519
or that not that night he's nice he's a

922
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,279
very fact-based person and you know

923
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,600
he's uh you know he's been he's lived in

924
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:41,440
the area a long time always like

925
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,480
basically

926
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,480
so you know i got on the horn with this

927
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,919
this guy

928
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:48,080
and i'm thinking well you know i'm gonna

929
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,080
be careful about how i talk to him

930
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:52,080
so i contacted him right away and you

931
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,600
know i couldn't

932
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:55,440
he couldn't add any more information

933
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,720
though

934
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:58,640
it was you know it was determined be

935
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,240
bipedal since it crashed on two legs

936
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:05,279
uh i got the impression he was pretty

937
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:06,320
shook up

938
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,919
and he's you know he wasn't really sure

939
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,520
he wanted to report it

940
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,440
but i did getting i did get him to get

941
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:15,440
into a few more details so what we did

942
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,320
we got

943
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:19,359
uh i got an area about where it was seen

944
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:19,679
at

945
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:23,040
i got the gps and everything and uh

946
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:24,639
this is where we're gonna be that's

947
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:26,000
we're pushed and then we're gonna be

948
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:34,470
so there you go the penfield predator

949
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:39,520
and the blair county the blair county

950
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:42,960
well the blair county is setting

951
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:49,200
um let me see here let me pull right up

952
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:52,240
as lon searches the archives i'm pulling

953
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:52,879
them down i

954
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:55,839
i i we should have some music in the

955
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,320
background i

956
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,800
had the um i had the cambrian county up

957
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:00,320
there first

958
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,320
before that okay out of sync here we go

959
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:07,440
uh i got this on uh

960
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,280
september 3rd 2015. i'm currently a

961
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,839
resident of altoona pa

962
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,920
i'm writing this to report a strange

963
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,000
encounter i experienced with a friend of

964
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:19,599
mine in the early morning hours of

965
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,520
sunday march 17 2013.

966
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,520
the incident is now over two years old i

967
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,040
chose not to report this

968
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,760
event prior to now due to the

969
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:32,000
unwillingness to expose myself or my

970
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,119
family and friends

971
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,240
to public scrutiny

972
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,800
in light of the recent spat of similar

973
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,040
sightings in central pennsylvania

974
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:42,960
i have changed my mind he had been

975
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,200
reading the blog

976
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,160
perhaps perhaps our experience will help

977
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,920
with the current research

978
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,599
as such i would like to make my

979
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,680
attention clear that myself

980
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,440
and any person has mentioned please

981
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:57,599
retain an anemone

982
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,720
at this time reporting a big 40 or ufo

983
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,079
sighting is one thing

984
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,520
but this is something different

985
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:08,400
on the evening in question a friend and

986
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:08,960
i

987
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:21,119
30 a.m to 2

988
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:24,560
00 o'clock am on the morning morning of

989
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:28,079
march 17th we were traveling southwest

990
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,599
on route 22

991
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,839
through what is it locally known as

992
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:33,520
geezy dam

993
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,480
it's a rural suburb of holidaysburg

994
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,000
pennsylvania

995
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,040
as we rounded a little curve in the road

996
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:43,440
our attention was drawn to our left on

997
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:46,320
the opposite side of the road

998
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,359
standing squatting in the clearing a few

999
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:51,440
foot off the side of the road

1000
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:54,960
was some kind of creature our friend

1001
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:55,680
wasn't

1002
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,400
driving very fast and and slowed a bit

1003
00:37:02,550 --> 00:36:59,920
as we approached

1004
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:02,560
our initial view of it was from the

1005
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,440
dorsal side

1006
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,920
as i was facing away from as it was

1007
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,079
facing away from us

1008
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:12,800
it came into profile as we pass with it

1009
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:13,280
right

1010
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,440
side to us it struck me immediately that

1011
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:19,599
the creature had a combination

1012
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,640
of both human and canine features it was

1013
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,720
squatting down on its legs close to the

1014
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:26,079
ground

1015
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:29,440
but was doing so in a bipedal fashion

1016
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:32,720
the legs had a stiffer joint and hawk

1017
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:35,839
characteristic of a canine not like a

1018
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,790
a stifle that's a stifle joint i'm sorry

1019
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,079
stable joint

1020
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:44,640
uh it had his front limbs and arms in

1021
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,599
front of it

1022
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:47,920
and i believe it was possibly crouching

1023
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,960
over something maybe a smaller animal

1024
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:53,040
the arms were long in proportion to the

1025
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,480
body

1026
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,880
i recall thinking the hands were more

1027
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:57,839
human-like

1028
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,440
as opposed to paul's his torso seemed

1029
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,760
to be somewhat hunched over hunched

1030
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:05,200
forward

1031
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:08,400
i had impression that at the time it

1032
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:08,960
could have

1033
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,240
gone on all fours quite comfortably

1034
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,240
the creature's chest was not broad like

1035
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:16,560
a humans but had a pronounced forward

1036
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:19,839
angle breast bone like a candid

1037
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:22,720
it came it gave an impression of great

1038
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,680
strength

1039
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,359
having distinct and well-defined

1040
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:27,359
musculature but was not

1041
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:30,880
built on a massive frame it seemed more

1042
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:35,359
thin and sinewy if i had stood if it had

1043
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,640
stood uh fully erect

1044
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:40,560
i would estimate that the creature would

1045
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,200
have been close to seven foot tall

1046
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,440
it was covered in fur that was gray

1047
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:47,839
silver and color

1048
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,280
the creature seemed unnaturally shiny

1049
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,720
although this could have been a

1050
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:54,240
reflection from the headlights of the

1051
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:55,440
moon

1052
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,800
i had it had plenty erect

1053
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:01,440
keen nine years that were somewhat laid

1054
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:01,920
back

1055
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:05,599
on its head the head was largely very

1056
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,400
wolf-like

1057
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:09,359
in overall appearance the muzzle was

1058
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:09,839
also

1059
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:13,760
although

1060
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:17,760
the snout wasn't exceptionally elongated

1061
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,400
he had canine-like teeth to the best of

1062
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,480
my recollection the eyes were

1063
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:25,200
amberish color but may have had a

1064
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,160
reddish glow

1065
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,640
reflection to them it had a wolf-like

1066
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:30,320
tail and it turned its head

1067
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:33,760
to watch us and track us as we passed

1068
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:40,870
my friend and i continued in stunned

1069
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,119
silence for a few minutes

1070
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:44,960
when the creature was no longer in view

1071
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:51,589
what we had just seen just

1072
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:54,720
you know it looked like a werewolf well

1073
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,079
that was exact words i uh

1074
00:40:01,829 --> 00:40:00,400
i agree that this was pretty much my own

1075
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:01,839
assessment

1076
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,240
i asked if he could turn the car around

1077
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,480
but he absolutely refused to do so

1078
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:08,640
he spent the rest of the trip debating

1079
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,680
whether i could

1080
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:12,079
have been a dog or even someone's

1081
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:13,440
escaped pet wolf

1082
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,480
but to be honest it just wasn't i'm sure

1083
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,720
that both my friends and i are

1084
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:21,040
a friend of our experienced outdoorsman

1085
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,480
and neither one of us has ever seen

1086
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,800
anything fitting at the scripture before

1087
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:26,960
i was actually raised not far from the

1088
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,440
area and i know it quite well

1089
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,520
i have spoken to my friend about this

1090
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,280
neither one of us would be

1091
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,240
willing to take a polygraph and feel

1092
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,800
free to contact us with questions

1093
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,359
and i had the opportunity to speak both

1094
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:43,200
witnesses

1095
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,000
and each mentioned an interesting point

1096
00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:47,839
which was that

1097
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,839
this creature had a silvery aura around

1098
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:52,400
it you know

1099
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,599
that's that's a description

1100
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,240
i don't think i've ever even heard any

1101
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,599
of these other ones you know i asked

1102
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,720
other people and i

1103
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,720
i don't think that's been something

1104
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:04,240
that's come up

1105
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,920
that said you know like it raised attack

1106
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,280
you know it

1107
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:09,040
raised his hackles a bit because it

1108
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,720
suggested like a

1109
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,880
supernatural aspect may exist with this

1110
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:14,480
thing

1111
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,880
so there you go what do we got

1112
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:21,040
yeah and another feature that another

1113
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,400
feature that shows up in a lot of

1114
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:23,680
reports

1115
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:26,960
is the eyes being yellow or gl or

1116
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,280
glowing yellow or glowing amber not red

1117
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:33,599
and you know out in the western part of

1118
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,480
the state

1119
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:37,040
uh from mercer county and westmoreland

1120
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:37,520
and all

1121
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:40,880
out through there uh the cue the center

1122
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,440
for uh

1123
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,839
unexplained events group with brian

1124
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,280
seach

1125
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,680
and stan gordon i mean they have theirs

1126
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,520
they have these reports out there that

1127
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:51,200
go back years

1128
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:55,839
and so um you know are we dealing with

1129
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,760
um first of all i want to say this i

1130
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:01,520
can't find any reports in the eastern

1131
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:02,160
part of the

1132
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,920
east i can get where i get a report is

1133
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:07,440
schuylkill county other than that

1134
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:10,000
nothing north nothing south

1135
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,599
but then just when i

1136
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:15,440
say that i come up with one in bucks

1137
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:16,720
county

1138
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:20,560
pennsylvania back in uh the late 1800s

1139
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:24,000
almost 1900 and it describes the same

1140
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,640
damn

1141
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,200
animal creature whatever that we're

1142
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,359
looking for

1143
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,280
now that's very strange but back in

1144
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,640
those days you know bucks county was

1145
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:33,839
probably a lot of woods and

1146
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:36,560
not too many folks you know i have to

1147
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,599
tell you butch

1148
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,680
and lawn it's only been recently maybe

1149
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,920
the last 10 years that bigfoot reports

1150
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:43,359
have been coming out of the eastern part

1151
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:44,319
of the state

1152
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,359
you've been getting out of the

1153
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,119
southwestern part of the state since the

1154
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,720
70s but you really haven't been getting

1155
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,000
them out of the

1156
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,720
northeastern central pennsylvania uh

1157
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,680
area it's been

1158
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,119
you know there's not i guess it's

1159
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:57,119
because folks don't really know

1160
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:58,319
there's someone out there to collect

1161
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,839
these stories and it's also a little bit

1162
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,599
more of a conservative area

1163
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:03,280
you know you have experienced hunters

1164
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,640
out this way

1165
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,480
you know it's a very rural area you

1166
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,880
don't have as many you know big cities

1167
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:10,240
you know to get to philadelphia or

1168
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,760
pittsburgh you know both opposite ends

1169
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:13,119
of the state but everything else in the

1170
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:14,079
middle

1171
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,359
you know for the most part guys is

1172
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,960
really wooded and i think people don't

1173
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,240
really appreciate that unless you live

1174
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,880
in pennsylvania

1175
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:23,760
oh yeah yeah i mean pennsylvania it's

1176
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,800
just like

1177
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:26,240
some areas you go to pennsylvania and

1178
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:27,680
people like you say people don't realize

1179
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:28,000
it

1180
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:38,000
that you know you'd walk into some place

1181
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:39,359
that

1182
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,720
it just looks like nobody ever touched

1183
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:42,880
it before nobody was even there

1184
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,280
and uh you know i knew i mean i

1185
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,960
you know i used to go hunting a lot when

1186
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:51,040
i was younger when i lived in pa

1187
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,160
and it always amazed me how

1188
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,200
uh how

1189
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:59,040
untouched everything seemed to be and

1190
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:01,119
it's still like that

1191
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,480
we do have a couple questions from the

1192
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:04,400
chat guys one from zugman

1193
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:07,839
uh he or they would like to know if

1194
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:08,400
there's been

1195
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:11,440
any stories of disappearances of people

1196
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,200
connected with dogman encounters

1197
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,200
there's reports of missing people but

1198
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,359
not not with dogman encounters

1199
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,520
that we can find or that they don't know

1200
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:22,800
it was a dog man

1201
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,920
right right yeah i hate when you say

1202
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,920
that line or that we know of

1203
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:29,839
there's just something so sinister about

1204
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:35,109
well you know this this missing 411

1205
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:36,800
thing that uh that

1206
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,760
david palladis has been writing about

1207
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:41,440
now for a couple years

1208
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,280
it's one of those things too you know

1209
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:45,680
there's disappearances but then again

1210
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,040
why or what is doing all this

1211
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,160
uh who's this adult

1212
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,400
is doing the same thing yeah this case i

1213
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,839
was talking about in bucks county

1214
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:58,000
now the original report uh takes place

1215
00:45:02,870 --> 00:44:58,880
back on june 6

1216
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,880
1866 and it's a report of uh it was in

1217
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:03,920
the paper uh

1218
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,680
in that date and uh it said

1219
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:09,200
uh reports of a wolf-like creature

1220
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,720
attacking a group of canal boat

1221
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:12,000
travelers

1222
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,000
was filed with local authorities these

1223
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,760
documents are preserved today at the

1224
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,760
yardley borough hall i have requested

1225
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,119
those and they said they're going to

1226
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,599
send them but i haven't gotten them yet

1227
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,920
sightings of the wolf have increased

1228
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,680
over the years although the stories

1229
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:27,359
remain questionable

1230
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:30,319
the only known photo was taken in 1978

1231
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,720
by a local resident theodore sheffield

1232
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,480
and the photo shows what appears to be a

1233
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,000
large wolf that is also

1234
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,400
at that location that i requested from

1235
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,750
now sheffield evidently passed away many

1236
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:45,520
many years ago

1237
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,040
but i'm still waiting for that

1238
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:49,119
information so did somebody actually get

1239
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,400
a picture of this and it's one of the

1240
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:52,000
only reports that we see where

1241
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,440
a wolf-like creature has attacked

1242
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,200
anybody

1243
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,640
i mean they've scared people half to

1244
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,800
death or probably closer to that

1245
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:01,119
but uh it's the only one where we can

1246
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,160
find uh

1247
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:04,400
where uh this this type of creature has

1248
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:05,599
uh attacked

1249
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,630
well the um you know i just hope it

1250
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:12,880
stays that way yeah before we got that

1251
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:15,920
that blair county report we received a

1252
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,640
report

1253
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,480
from portage pa which is in cambria

1254
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:19,920
county

1255
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:22,880
now you know that's not that far away

1256
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:23,440
from

1257
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,240
it's almost like 20 miles but nothing

1258
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,839
really it's not even that far

1259
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:31,520
from the the clear field settings it's

1260
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:32,880
almost like it's

1261
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,960
an area there and uh

1262
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,880
we had some members of the pennsylvania

1263
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:40,560
bigfoot society

1264
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:46,550
do the um do the interview with the

1265
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:49,599
witnesses after they had contacted me

1266
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:53,839
and um it was interesting because

1267
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:57,119
you know they're their interviews were

1268
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:59,200
pretty much close to what ours came

1269
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,640
you know what she said to me in the

1270
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:02,720
interview but but another thing was they

1271
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:03,520
ran across

1272
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:08,720
another incident at the same place

1273
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:12,720
by another witness um

1274
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:15,760
same description everything the uh

1275
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:18,800
the hawked legs in particular though

1276
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,920
they didn't see uh they didn't see a

1277
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,000
head or torso they just saw the big hot

1278
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:26,000
legs that were on you know that were

1279
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,359
bipedal

1280
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,440
and it was in the uh it was in the park

1281
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:31,359
in the town of uh

1282
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:34,559
portage as well so

1283
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:38,000
uh and from what i understand they may

1284
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:39,680
not have been the only two there may be

1285
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:41,119
another one as well but

1286
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,640
we're gonna try to follow i'm trying to

1287
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:44,720
follow up on that and see if something

1288
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,160
had come in a couple years before that

1289
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,400
another question we got here guys is

1290
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:52,880
from patricia and she'd like to know

1291
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:54,800
are there any theories on where it beds

1292
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:56,559
down are there any caves

1293
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,829
well that's what we'll be looking i mean

1294
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,880
that's that's some of the stuff we're

1295
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:04,079
going to be looking for to see if we

1296
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:05,599
can't find

1297
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:09,359
uh you know anything like that in the

1298
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:10,559
area

1299
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,960
we do got some cave maps that we got

1300
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,800
and the closest one to where we're gonna

1301
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,040
be is about

1302
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:21,119
four and a half five mile away but it's

1303
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,359
not a very deep cave it's um

1304
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:26,000
maybe ten foot deep they say and maybe

1305
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:27,040
ten foot high

1306
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:28,960
and about thirty foot wide so it's more

1307
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:31,040
like a crevice than there's a cave

1308
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,240
but uh i don't have anything yet on the

1309
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,480
other parts of the state and up in

1310
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:38,000
school county you know there's a cave

1311
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:39,119
every two blocks

1312
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,800
or an old mine or something like that

1313
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:42,880
but in the area we're going

1314
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,240
uh only we can only find one now what we

1315
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:48,960
will also look for while we're there is

1316
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:51,599
you know maybe old old homes or

1317
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,400
factories

1318
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:54,319
or old buildings that are either

1319
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,680
abandoned or

1320
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:58,000
you know maybe still intact halfway that

1321
00:49:03,990 --> 00:48:59,680
something could be hiding in there or

1322
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,349
i haven't decided who i'm going to let

1323
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,589
there you go i'll get stuck

1324
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,910
it's not going to be me buddy no

1325
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:15,440
seriously i it's

1326
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,559
it's something that we're going to look

1327
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,480
at we're going to take a culmination of

1328
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:20,559
everything we've learned over the years

1329
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:23,680
in in ufology and in the equipment we

1330
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,559
use there and

1331
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,880
in bigfoot research and in the

1332
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:28,160
paranormal research we're just going to

1333
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:29,200
have

1334
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,599
take everything and throw everything up

1335
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,880
and you know

1336
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,960
that's it we have no other way of doing

1337
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,640
this so we've got to conduct it like

1338
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,760
we're doing

1339
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:39,680
all types of investigations on one

1340
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:40,880
investigation

1341
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:43,839
and see what gets us in the best way or

1342
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:44,559
the best

1343
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:47,920
direction and then take it from there

1344
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:53,440
folks you can call in at 570-478-0902

1345
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,480
or skype in at forker media on skype

1346
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,319
we'll take your calls tonight

1347
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,160
uh until then if you don't want to call

1348
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,160
that's okay we're not a phone dating

1349
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,079
service though and not another type of

1350
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,640
phone line so just be mindful that it's

1351
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,079
it's been us in the past and we've tried

1352
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,520
to take phone calls live

1353
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:11,119
but we'll try to be as professional as

1354
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:12,720
possible as long as you do

1355
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:15,839
uh anyhow back to you juan yeah uh

1356
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,720
and subsequently we've received a few

1357
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:20,319
reports here and there i had

1358
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:25,359
gotten i talked to linda godfrey

1359
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,040
you know during this period we've been

1360
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,440
getting these reports and she told me of

1361
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:31,359
a habituation

1362
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:34,880
situation just west of harrisburg

1363
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:37,599
uh which i figured was cumberland county

1364
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,960
because quite frankly

1365
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,880
i had heard the same i had something

1366
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,040
similar in the area of uh

1367
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,760
newville now i don't know if this is

1368
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:47,200
where that was

1369
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,640
but and uh trout fishermen had seen

1370
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,160
something that looked like an upright

1371
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,319
dog running away from him

1372
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:56,079
while he was out in big spring and it

1373
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,750
fishing and you know it's funny i do get

1374
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,200
i do get a lot of reports

1375
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,480
in pennsylvania from fishermen uh

1376
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:09,440
trout fishermen in particular and uh you

1377
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:09,680
know

1378
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,960
bigfoot

1379
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:15,119
and all that but you know they they are

1380
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:16,880
aware of what's out there

1381
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:19,040
and uh a lot of these guys aren't afraid

1382
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,079
to um

1383
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,720
to you know send in something but i tell

1384
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:24,480
you cumberland county

1385
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:27,839
which is known more for fishing

1386
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:31,520
trout fishing you know fly fishing

1387
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,160
it's kind of we have received a lot of

1388
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,240
bigfoot reports in that area

1389
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:38,559
and now we gotta now we have a dogman

1390
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,480
report out of there as well

1391
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,720
so uh and subsequent to that and later

1392
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:44,400
we had a um

1393
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,960
we had a seven foot bipedal dog-like

1394
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:50,000
theme

1395
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,480
with a long snout scene in schuylkill

1396
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,160
haven pennsylvania

1397
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:56,880
and the witness stated she had seen this

1398
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:58,079
individual

1399
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:01,920
three times on three different occasions

1400
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:06,400
not once not twice but thrice

1401
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:10,000
so you know

1402
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,760
slowed down that we were fortunate

1403
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:14,880
enough

1404
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,000
to have a gentleman who uh you know

1405
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:20,880
i read his story back in uh one of the

1406
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,359
shows

1407
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,079
previously uh when he lived in maryland

1408
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,400
and had this dogman encounter

1409
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:28,559
near frederick maryland actually was in

1410
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,680
um

1411
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:32,400
mount airy pennsylvania i think well

1412
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:33,200
anyway

1413
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,559
i don't know exactly where it was but i

1414
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:36,400
know it was in frederick county

1415
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,440
but uh he had um

1416
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:41,599
he had been keeping a record of these

1417
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,000
dogman encounters in pennsylvania

1418
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:46,160
and some of the other states around you

1419
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:47,200
know the

1420
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,400
the mid-atlantic and uh

1421
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:52,559
uh i sent the server to butcher after i

1422
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:53,760
got it and

1423
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:58,319
wow you know it's amazing 78-page report

1424
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:01,200
yeah it's amazing some of the stuff that

1425
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:02,240
he you know he's

1426
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,640
gotten information about uh

1427
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:08,720
now he lives up in effort pennsylvania

1428
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:09,680
now

1429
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:16,160
up in the eastern part of the state but

1430
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:17,359
coconut area

1431
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:20,880
yeah he lives up near the poconos so

1432
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:23,040
and now he sent a lot of good

1433
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:24,400
information

1434
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,800
stuff i didn't know about i really

1435
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,920
didn't

1436
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:33,359
so you know it's you know this is

1437
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,880
information this is the type of

1438
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,000
information

1439
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,559
we can use it's not if it's not a

1440
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:40,640
specific sighting or something

1441
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:43,680
that you haven't that you've had

1442
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:46,240
it doesn't necessarily have to be that

1443
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:47,280
it can be

1444
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:50,400
information that you gathered or

1445
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:53,359
you know descriptions you have received

1446
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,400
or evidence that

1447
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,520
people have talked about this stuff it's

1448
00:54:04,470 --> 00:53:59,599
gonna kind of kind of fall in place

1449
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:04,480
after we get it all together so um

1450
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,520
yeah i i mentioned butch how many people

1451
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,599
that are actually in the group now that

1452
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:12,480
are doing the investigations

1453
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:18,390
just a great group of researchers i mean

1454
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:20,079
these are these are folks that have been

1455
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:21,680
doing it a long time

1456
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:22,880
and i'm probably going to learn a lot

1457
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,920
more from them than they're going to

1458
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:25,359
learn from me

1459
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:29,280
uh but it's it's the way it has to be

1460
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:29,839
done

1461
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:31,839
i mean i think the day of the lone

1462
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:33,680
researcher and the lone group

1463
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:37,520
is done uh the forces have to find

1464
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,000
uh the forces have to be combined um

1465
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:44,079
you know to get the boots on the ground

1466
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:45,359
and to cover the area

1467
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:46,960
and to look at it from many angles

1468
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,680
instead of just one

1469
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,280
and to keep it under surveillance which

1470
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,200
is very important whether

1471
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:55,200
you know with cameras or infrared or or

1472
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:57,920
thermal devices

1473
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:01,359
we just ordered a drone

1474
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,799
i should have in about a month they tell

1475
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,720
me but

1476
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:07,200
you know this drone will go it'll it'll

1477
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:08,240
stick around

1478
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:11,520
600 feet near and it has both infrared

1479
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:12,160
and

1480
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:17,520
so it's uh very stable

1481
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:20,240
it's got gps tracking whole nine yards

1482
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:21,200
so

1483
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,319
you know we're just going to keep trying

1484
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:24,400
to put out as much as we can and because

1485
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:25,280
you know that look

1486
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,799
we all know you can only cover so much

1487
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,040
air area in a day

1488
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:31,280
but at night you know covering area is

1489
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:32,160
kind of tough because

1490
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,280
first of all you really don't know where

1491
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:35,680
you're going and you're missing a lot of

1492
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:37,040
stuff but you know what maybe with a

1493
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,520
drone

1494
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:39,599
we can we can get up and cover open

1495
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:40,960
fields and and

1496
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:44,400
wooded areas uh with heat seeking device

1497
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,799
and um and i said infrared it's not

1498
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:48,319
infrared it's actually thermal camera on

1499
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,440
there

1500
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,760
so you know maybe we'll get to see a lot

1501
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:53,440
of deer and a lot of bear and a lot of

1502
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:54,559
this a lot of that but it's that

1503
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:55,200
eight-foot

1504
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,400
tall fella that i'm looking for

1505
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:00,960
yeah i just want one picture that's all

1506
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:06,789
yeah well hopefully everything will be

1507
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,160
it'll be a safe

1508
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:10,559
investigation as well because uh this is

1509
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:11,839
the kind of thing that worries me you

1510
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,359
know this

1511
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:15,359
you're in getting involved with

1512
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,960
something that we

1513
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:19,440
really do not know what it is yeah but

1514
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:20,240
that does

1515
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,109
but you know with bigfoot you know

1516
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:31,359
people go hunting or looking for bigfoot

1517
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:32,799
they kind of know what to expect in a

1518
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,920
way i guess

1519
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,760
i guess there's enough information and

1520
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:38,640
enough investigation

1521
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:41,040
to to kind of make you worry or what

1522
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:42,720
you're looking for

1523
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:46,240
but in this situation you know

1524
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:49,440
this is entirely different yeah and plus

1525
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,400
the fact you're gonna have we're gonna

1526
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,799
have researchers involved in this that

1527
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:54,319
you know like i said they have a long

1528
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:55,680
background and looking for stuff like

1529
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:56,160
this

1530
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:59,359
creature but um

1531
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,920
you know every little idea every little

1532
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:02,880
statement

1533
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:04,960
every little what if this works what can

1534
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:06,559
we try can we try this anything like

1535
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:07,920
that it's going to be a

1536
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:11,040
you know a great help because like i

1537
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:11,680
said there's

1538
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,119
there's just no way of doing this

1539
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,359
there's no books on this and it's no uh

1540
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,799
no protocol on how to handle this

1541
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:18,559
investigation so

1542
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,520
it's basically going to be shooting from

1543
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:23,119
the hip

1544
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:26,559
and seeing what works well

1545
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:29,680
my thought is that this area

1546
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:32,960
uh in clearfield county which is what

1547
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:35,119
that's the penfield but that's mchandon

1548
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:36,559
state park and all that area around

1549
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:37,040
there

1550
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:39,119
that's going to be that's going to need

1551
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,240
to be investigated

1552
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,799
several times because i think it's gonna

1553
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:44,079
um

1554
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:47,440
they may be where most of the the viable

1555
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:48,240
evidence is

1556
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:51,359
found you know basically

1557
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,599
and i i think you're we're to be in a

1558
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:55,680
good situation as far as

1559
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:58,079
you know setting up there and a few

1560
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,359
other and men

1561
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:01,599
and enemies and i can't even say that

1562
00:58:04,430 --> 00:58:02,400
amenities

1563
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,440
or whatever blonde's hurting himself

1564
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,480
[Laughter]

1565
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:09,359
and uh you know i i think it's it's

1566
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,799
gonna be a location

1567
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,400
you know just because we got the two

1568
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:14,559
reports but i i think just

1569
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,240
you know by looking at the area and from

1570
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:20,559
some of the things we've been hearing

1571
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:22,000
and even some oddball

1572
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:25,520
things we've been hearing uh

1573
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:28,079
i think that's probably where the best

1574
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:30,079
the best investigations gonna turn

1575
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:32,319
who knows you know you never know you

1576
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:33,760
never know we go someplace like

1577
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:35,839
you gotta be on your way up and have one

1578
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:38,160
run across the road on you know

1579
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:40,799
yeah that's true yeah you don't know and

1580
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,520
and uh

1581
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,839
uh so it's um it's that proverbial trip

1582
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,680
into the unknown

1583
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:48,000
is what it amounts to you know if it was

1584
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:49,359
anywhere else

1585
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:51,599
i would say it's unlikely but the fact

1586
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:52,960
that it's in clearfield

1587
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:56,720
or that area which is just so bizarre

1588
00:59:00,789 --> 00:59:00,079
nothing would uh nothing would surprise

1589
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,799
me

1590
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:02,240
and you've had your experience sir

1591
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,240
correct yeah i mean it's

1592
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:06,079
it's a remarkable place and i i don't

1593
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:07,680
know what makes it so special and maybe

1594
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:09,359
it's because i did have an experience

1595
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:10,720
with something there

1596
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:13,040
uh a couple years back now but uh is

1597
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,160
enough to make uh

1598
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:15,839
make you think that you know what not

1599
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:18,079
think i know something's out there

1600
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,839
but what the hell is it and when we're

1601
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,760
talking about this dog man

1602
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,359
we don't know what the hell it is right

1603
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:25,280
we want to think it's uh

1604
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:28,799
a canine but what if it is something

1605
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:32,400
paranormal or something uh something

1606
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:34,319
otherworldly what if it's a skinwalker

1607
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:38,640
butch how do we prepare for that well

1608
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:40,640
after spending numerous hours on the

1609
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:41,920
phone with these folks out

1610
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:44,400
and on on the reservation out there in

1611
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,359
oklahoma

1612
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,440
i mean they gave me pages of tips what

1613
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:50,000
to do what to look for what not to do

1614
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,599
and i'll share those with the

1615
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,359
investigators of course when we

1616
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:55,040
all get together and we sit down i'm

1617
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:56,400
gonna just lay everything out and

1618
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:57,359
explain what i got

1619
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:00,559
and tell them where we're headed and uh

1620
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:03,599
but it's like the guy said you know how

1621
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:05,119
this started out with the skin walker

1622
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:06,079
brought into it is

1623
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,280
just weird uh my wife owns uh runs

1624
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,920
a as the manager for a dollar general

1625
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,520
she has her own store brand new big

1626
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:15,040
thing she loves it

1627
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:16,960
she's been in retail for years and she

1628
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:21,990
but she was talking to her assistant

1629
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:22,880
manager

1630
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,599
and he just came out with so how's butch

1631
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,440
doing with his ufo stuff

1632
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,880
and she said well right now they're

1633
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,480
working on something else and she

1634
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,480
proceeds to tell him the story and

1635
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:34,000
and when she gets to the point where she

1636
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:36,000
says glowing yellow eyes

1637
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:38,240
he sits back in the chair nice

1638
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:39,599
full-blooded cherokee

1639
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:41,680
she said he turned white he just kept

1640
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:43,280
staring at her and she said you all

1641
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:44,480
right she thought maybe something was

1642
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:45,520
happening

1643
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:48,559
and he says uh say that again

1644
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:51,200
and she goes and repeats the story and

1645
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,720
he says

1646
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,880
you know your husband could be dealing

1647
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:56,720
with a skin walker

1648
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:57,839
now the only thing i know about

1649
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:00,079
skinwalkers is the book by

1650
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:02,960
you know the skin walker ranch and i'm

1651
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:05,280
thinking like oh okay

1652
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:06,640
and he said i got to make some phone

1653
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:08,480
calls and so he went back in the office

1654
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:09,760
and made a few phone calls and he came

1655
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:10,079
back

1656
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:13,200
and he said look he said uh here's the

1657
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,760
number

1658
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,760
your husband needs to call this so

1659
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:17,359
they'll expect his call tomorrow

1660
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:20,240
okay so i call and i tell him a story

1661
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:21,680
and he said it's very possible you're

1662
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:23,440
dealing with a skinwalker

1663
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,319
and he said is that area ever been

1664
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:28,160
inhabited by indigenous i said oh my god

1665
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,480
yeah

1666
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,799
i said we had susquehanna iroquois

1667
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:31,920
lenape

1668
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:35,280
uh mohawk i said you know the the place

1669
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:36,640
was loaded with them and

1670
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:39,680
and the lenape um susquehanna they

1671
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:42,799
pretty much inhabited all of central

1672
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:44,079
pennsylvania back then

1673
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:46,960
and uh up until 1754 and then you know

1674
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:48,160
the tribes started going their different

1675
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:49,440
directions because they were

1676
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,640
always at war with each other i mean

1677
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,880
they all hated each other and years boys

1678
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,559
mohawk kind of went northeast and you

1679
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,240
know the delaware went south and

1680
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:59,200
you know even certain elements went out

1681
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:00,480
to south dakota

1682
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:04,000
but he said are you aware of

1683
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:05,920
what a skinwalker is and i said no and

1684
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:07,280
he explained all that to me that you

1685
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:08,799
know it's a medicine man or a shaman

1686
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:09,599
that has

1687
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:12,640
basically gone to the dark side and

1688
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:15,200
he says uh very vicious very cunning

1689
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:16,960
very smart he said they can transform

1690
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:18,079
isn't anything

1691
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:20,559
so even though they may be transformed

1692
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,440
into a wolf

1693
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:23,280
at one point if they want to see

1694
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:24,799
something and they don't want to be seen

1695
01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:26,559
they could transform into a snake

1696
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:28,640
for stealth or they could transform into

1697
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:31,760
a bird for an aerial view

1698
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:34,000
but he said there's one thing that you

1699
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:35,680
will notice if he said if you're

1700
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:37,039
fortunate enough to see something like

1701
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:38,799
that he said we'll be when they

1702
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:40,480
transform there's a bright flash of

1703
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:43,839
of a bright silvery light and he said

1704
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:46,240
it's like a flash bulb

1705
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:47,680
he said they could walk into your camp

1706
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:48,799
they could talk to you like i said

1707
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:49,520
before

1708
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:52,240
um he gave me certain things to look for

1709
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:52,720
um

1710
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:54,079
i thought they have a certain smell

1711
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:55,760
about them even when they're not

1712
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:57,839
in their transform state they smell like

1713
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:00,640
a handful of dirty pennies

1714
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:04,400
uh or uh rotting flesh or uh blood

1715
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:07,440
he said that type of smell um

1716
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:09,760
he said they he said you know if you

1717
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:11,359
have your suspicions about one just

1718
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:13,200
go to shake his hand say hello he said

1719
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:14,880
they won't shake your hand

1720
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:16,400
he said if you try to take a picture of

1721
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:17,680
them while they're standing there you

1722
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:18,319
know in

1723
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:21,200
in human form he said they'll turn away

1724
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,160
so he said if you're

1725
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,760
encountering you know encountering those

1726
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:25,440
types of things with somebody would just

1727
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:27,039
walk into the camp or stop by to say

1728
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:28,799
hello i have a hot dog or whatever

1729
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,559
he said you're dealing with a skin

1730
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:32,160
walker

1731
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:35,920
and then the next day overnight mail

1732
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:39,839
they shipped me a medicine pouch

1733
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:44,160
to protect the group

1734
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:47,039
well you know you got to look into the

1735
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:48,880
native american aspect on this stuff

1736
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:49,760
like this

1737
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,280
i mean i've always said that and look

1738
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:55,520
look at you know the big hairy the big

1739
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,280
hairy man that's that's indigenous

1740
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:59,200
that's not that's not bigfoot from you

1741
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,000
know

1742
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:02,400
uh recently that's that that goes back

1743
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,680
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

1744
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,680
years

1745
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:07,359
and they describe it just like we said

1746
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:12,870
so is the skin walker out of the

1747
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:15,440
question not really um

1748
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:18,640
you know that's possible but

1749
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:20,640
it's as possible as you know is there a

1750
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,319
dog man walking around there is or is

1751
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:24,480
there a werewolf walking around there is

1752
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:27,760
is there some guy from the local um

1753
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:29,280
garage sale walking around with a wolf

1754
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:31,599
hat on who knows we'll just have to find

1755
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:32,240
out

1756
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:34,799
is get boots on the ground we can't we

1757
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:36,160
can't do it by

1758
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:38,160
uh you know talking to people on

1759
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:40,079
telephone and looking at maps from the

1760
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:41,680
internet and stuff like that and getting

1761
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:42,400
topple maps

1762
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:43,520
that's not getting us anywhere i mean it

1763
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:44,880
gives us basic information but it

1764
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:45,440
doesn't

1765
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:50,000
the only way to advance it is to go

1766
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:52,319
agreed and i think keeping an open mind

1767
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,119
going into this is incredibly important

1768
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:57,440
because we really don't know again what

1769
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:58,640
it is we're dealing with

1770
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:01,200
but you know you're right boots on the

1771
01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:02,640
ground is the only way to start getting

1772
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:04,400
answers to this and just like every

1773
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:06,000
other mystery that we talk about and

1774
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,960
encounter

1775
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:08,880
it's better when we have experience

1776
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:10,000
doing it and

1777
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:12,000
uh like you said you've assembled a team

1778
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,599
that's got quite a bit of experience

1779
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:15,359
they're all good people

1780
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:17,119
and they're all credible people and i'm

1781
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:19,039
looking forward to seeing what comes

1782
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:28,390
well we're going to document everything

1783
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:30,480
uh like well you guys know what the

1784
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:30,799
truck

1785
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:32,160
the van looks like so we have all

1786
01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:33,520
everything there to document it we'll

1787
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,200
have wi-fi we'll have

1788
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:37,200
satellite communication we'll have all

1789
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:39,280
that stuff computers so we'll be able to

1790
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,480
document everything that's going on

1791
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:42,640
we'll keep a log

1792
01:05:49,349 --> 01:05:46,319
i decide to keep a log every 15 minutes

1793
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:49,359
enter into a log we'll have

1794
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:51,200
our weather station is going to be out

1795
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:52,400
we want to put that out to see if

1796
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:54,079
there's any

1797
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:57,039
change in weather uh like a temperature

1798
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:58,160
inversion

1799
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:00,000
and the only reason i brought that in

1800
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,720
was because that

1801
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,720
certain reports that i've read over the

1802
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:06,559
past on bigfoot

1803
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,559
where guys have been hunting in the cold

1804
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:10,799
absolute cold freezing weather you know

1805
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:12,160
i'm stomping around the woods like i

1806
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:14,079
used to do and

1807
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:16,079
uh next thing you know they're they're

1808
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,559
in a temperature and temperature

1809
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:20,319
where the temperature rose you know 20

1810
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:21,920
25 degrees

1811
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:23,200
and there's hardly any snow on the

1812
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:24,799
ground they just came through maybe two

1813
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:26,079
foot of snow now they're standing in

1814
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:28,000
maybe two or three inches of snow

1815
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:30,880
and it's melting or it's warmer and you

1816
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:32,000
know they see these

1817
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,520
the strange being in that area so

1818
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,520
i you know for my own satisfaction i

1819
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:39,440
want to know if temperature inversions

1820
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:42,480
play any part of these uh creatures

1821
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:45,680
uh being able to kind of walk out of

1822
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:46,160
sight

1823
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:47,359
you know maybe they're walking from a

1824
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:48,559
snowy area and they get into a

1825
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:49,920
temperature inversion where there is no

1826
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:51,039
snow on the ground

1827
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:52,720
and that's where people stop looking

1828
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:54,640
okay so the practice beard

1829
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:01,029
you've got the gear to do it butch

1830
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:02,880
that's for sure yeah i think you're

1831
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:04,559
gonna i think

1832
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,960
with the amount of stuff you've got i

1833
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:07,920
think you're gonna get

1834
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:11,119
some something interesting anyway

1835
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:12,720
don't know where but i think something's

1836
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,799
gonna turn up it's going to question

1837
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:16,400
or i'll tell you another thing we will

1838
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:17,920
have cameras pointed toward the sky the

1839
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:19,760
whole time

1840
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,760
uh you know because um you know

1841
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:25,440
there's enough stories out there you

1842
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:28,160
know again keeping an open mind where

1843
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:29,440
something's seen on the ground and

1844
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:31,200
something's seen in the sky

1845
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:33,520
so we'll have eyes on the ground plenty

1846
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:34,880
so i'm going to have a couple of

1847
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:37,920
uh cameras pointing toward the sky uh

1848
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:41,359
well you know you know just like uh uh

1849
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:42,880
like sean was saying

1850
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:45,280
that area up there it does seem to

1851
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:46,720
happen to where

1852
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:48,079
when there's different types of

1853
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:50,799
phenomena going on the same time

1854
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:53,280
or lights or where it be something

1855
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:55,119
throwing rocks or sticks at you from the

1856
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:56,559
woods or

1857
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:00,319
you know hearing things at one time

1858
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,520
yeah you know or in his case

1859
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:05,920
yeah and and you know that's that's

1860
01:08:08,829 --> 01:08:07,119
that's the kind of the

1861
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:08,839
little stuff that we have to really look

1862
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:10,319
for

1863
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:12,559
you know the odd thing i don't want to

1864
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:13,520
look for the obvious

1865
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:14,880
i want to look for something that's just

1866
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:17,359
out of the out of the ordinary

1867
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:19,279
something that shouldn't happen or

1868
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:21,839
something that happened that is just

1869
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:24,400
not right for that area well the thing

1870
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:27,199
that's phenomenal about this area is

1871
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:29,359
uh the absence of light pollution in the

1872
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:30,960
sky so you're gonna get

1873
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,719
an incredible view of the skyline so

1874
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:36,159
even if you know

1875
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:38,319
you don't get anything out of this world

1876
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:39,600
or uh

1877
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:40,960
whatever we're looking for in that

1878
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:43,040
respect uh you're gonna get one hell of

1879
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:44,560
a view of the stars

1880
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:48,000
as long as it's not cloudy yeah

1881
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:50,400
well uh you know we were on a case down

1882
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,199
in virginia

1883
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,759
and didn't pay a whole lot of attention

1884
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:55,279
going down but on the way back when it

1885
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:57,440
was daylight

1886
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,719
of course we went down when they had

1887
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:00,960
that rain storm

1888
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:02,719
going up and down the east coast and so

1889
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:05,679
the sky was pretty cloudy until we got

1890
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:07,040
just the other side of penfield where it

1891
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:08,880
started to clear up and that's where you

1892
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:10,239
know we really got a good look at those

1893
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:10,880
woods

1894
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:13,120
and the sky i mean the view the view was

1895
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:14,159
amazing

1896
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:16,480
i mean it's just wide open and there's

1897
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:17,759
nothing there

1898
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:19,279
i mean you've got a couple little towns

1899
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:20,880
but other than that there's nothing

1900
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:22,960
there

1901
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:27,600
no big thoroughfares no airports

1902
01:09:32,829 --> 01:09:30,719
you know so

1903
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:32,839
light pollution wise i think will be

1904
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,080
good

1905
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:36,719
but i'm counting i'm really counting on

1906
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:41,269
heat detection devices the floor cameras

1907
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:43,199
to do their thing

1908
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:46,400
because you know infrared you can see a

1909
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:47,520
great deal

1910
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:49,920
but when you have a thermal imager you

1911
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:51,040
can see

1912
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:57,990
well no yipping yelling or tree banging

1913
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:00,320
uh you don't need that this time around

1914
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:03,600
uh no no no and if anybody decides

1915
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:05,040
they're going to throw donuts into the

1916
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:06,239
woods they're going to have to fight me

1917
01:10:10,330 --> 01:10:07,520
because i want the donuts before they

1918
01:10:10,340 --> 01:10:14,229
[Music]

1919
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:16,470
you know and and no way no way is my

1920
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:18,080
wife gonna let me take any ribs out of

1921
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:18,960
the freezer and

1922
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:22,880
nail them to a tree uh so i it's it's

1923
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:23,840
gonna be an interesting

1924
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:26,239
uh investigation it's gonna be all new

1925
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,199
really i mean

1926
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:29,360
it's nothing that i don't know of

1927
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,199
anybody ever doing it i mean

1928
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:33,360
you know even jc and jack and those guys

1929
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,640
out in the colorado area i mean

1930
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:38,400
you know they they follow up on a case

1931
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,840
and and you know they got

1932
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:41,280
a whole different way of doing it out

1933
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:42,640
there than we would here because you

1934
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:43,280
know

1935
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,640
the they got the mountains they got the

1936
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:48,640
plateaus they got their

1937
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:49,920
i mean it's different it's just

1938
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:52,880
different and then here you know you got

1939
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:54,320
woods where you can't see five foot in

1940
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:59,990
so it's going to be different it'll be

1941
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:01,040
exciting

1942
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:04,159
um so and we'll have radio contact with

1943
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:05,360
everybody nobody's going to be walking

1944
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:06,400
around without a radio

1945
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:08,000
and we'll have radio contact with

1946
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:11,360
everybody so nobody's going to get lost

1947
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:12,960
you know we have everything we need you

1948
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:14,719
know we have medical supplies we got we

1949
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:15,120
got

1950
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:16,800
you know everybody's bringing their own

1951
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:18,159
food

1952
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:19,920
and i gotta feed my one guy which means

1953
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:20,960
i have to spend about three hundred

1954
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:27,270
he's a lot you know i do want to say

1955
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:30,800
to the listeners uh if you

1956
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:33,760
and especially those that live in pa if

1957
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:35,040
you do

1958
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:38,480
have any information or or have

1959
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:39,520
something a

1960
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:42,000
type of sighting that may be like you

1961
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,280
know

1962
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:45,360
what may correlate to what we're talking

1963
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,960
about

1964
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:49,120
please feel free to contact us really i

1965
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:50,640
mean because you know

1966
01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:52,480
you don't have to tell us who you're

1967
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:54,080
you'd be nice but

1968
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:57,360
we're mostly looking for information

1969
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:00,480
and uh you know if we can get

1970
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:03,840
if we can get sightings

1971
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,400
you know in groups which is probably the

1972
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:09,120
best thing if we get signings in groups

1973
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:11,920
uh certain groups like we have been

1974
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:12,400
getting

1975
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:16,400
actually uh that's gonna help a lot

1976
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:18,000
yeah it narrows down the area of

1977
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:22,320
investigation a great deal i think we've

1978
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:24,080
been pretty fortunate

1979
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:26,560
with the reports we have gotten that so

1980
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:28,080
many of them are

1981
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:31,120
in one area you know you get two or

1982
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:32,640
three of them in one area you get ten

1983
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,679
reports

1984
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:36,239
and and six of them are related well

1985
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:36,800
that's

1986
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:39,840
pretty unusual yeah and and

1987
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:41,679
and i guess the thing that really bugs

1988
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:48,470
they're so similar i mean in description

1989
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:49,520
they're so similar

1990
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:53,360
in a reaction on the part of the viewer

1991
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:56,960
that it's just it's weird

1992
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:59,520
it's just weird well it's just me it's

1993
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:01,280
something that you really don't expect

1994
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:02,159
to see

1995
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:05,280
i mean you know even even if if you just

1996
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:07,360
add a distance that saw a bigfoot

1997
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:10,400
that would be very exciting you know or

1998
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,520
it would be something you just couldn't

1999
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:13,920
believe you see believe me i know that

2000
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:16,480
but i'm telling you if there's a seven

2001
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:19,120
foot canid standing in front of me

2002
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:20,880
or crouching on the side of the road

2003
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,280
eating on something as i'm going by then

2004
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:25,360
looking at me as i go by

2005
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:28,159
that's gonna really freak me out yeah

2006
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:30,560
anybody bring in the milk bones

2007
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:33,440
uh i'm bringing five pounds all right

2008
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:33,840
that's good

2009
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:37,280
extra large i might get hungry you know

2010
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,320
uh i'll tell you i

2011
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:42,719
yeah this is something new we're also

2012
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:45,040
bringing depends

2013
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:53,590
uh well lon what have we got to uh

2014
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:55,120
anything recent to come on phantoms and

2015
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:57,040
monsters here uh

2016
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:59,280
we can be honestly it's been a pretty

2017
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,719
slow week

2018
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:02,640
uh i haven't gotten a whole much of

2019
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:04,480
anything quite honest with you

2020
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:08,400
and uh other than other than we did i

2021
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:08,880
did get

2022
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:11,120
a strange report from the white

2023
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:12,080
mountains area

2024
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,080
of new hampshire which isn't unusual

2025
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:16,560
because that is a strange area up there

2026
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:16,960
that

2027
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:19,440
you know historically even with the

2028
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:21,440
native americans that lived up in that

2029
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,120
area it there's been a lot of weird

2030
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:25,199
things to go on up there

2031
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:27,280
and uh i don't know if this woman is

2032
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,800
dealing with a bigfoot

2033
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:30,800
or possibly like i told her because some

2034
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:32,800
of the some of her descriptions

2035
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:36,000
it may be like tainted but

2036
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:38,400
uh you know if if you think about it

2037
01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:39,120
that isn't

2038
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:42,159
far from that area where linda had her

2039
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:43,040
uh

2040
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:47,520
with the kanan's in the the forest and

2041
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:48,880
then

2042
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:50,960
kind of holding up the the family in the

2043
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:52,239
house

2044
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:56,960
uh and those those type of wolf reports

2045
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,560
are are known up there so um

2046
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,159
i don't know what she's dealing with she

2047
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:04,560
contacted me again today

2048
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:07,440
and uh thought she called a picture or

2049
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:08,480
something

2050
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:11,520
so she's sending she's actually going to

2051
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:11,840
send

2052
01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:15,040
you a thumb drive or a uh a cd to me she

2053
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:17,120
got said you got a bunch of pictures

2054
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:23,189
i don't know either but that's about all

2055
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:24,320
i've gotten this week

2056
01:15:28,709 --> 01:15:25,920
what about you bro you got anything

2057
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:28,719
exciting besides the dog man stuff

2058
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:33,040
uh a couple of sightings of triangles um

2059
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:36,159
in the berks county area and butler

2060
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:38,960
um i just got one near bloomsburg i was

2061
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,159
going to send off to you and i'll send

2062
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,239
that to you as soon as we get offline

2063
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:44,400
uh there's a picture associated with it

2064
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:46,320
very triangular in shape like

2065
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:53,350
yeah and and that's that's a very good

2066
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:55,040
description because they are very sharp

2067
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,000
angles

2068
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:58,880
um i've only ever seen one that wasn't

2069
01:16:02,870 --> 01:15:59,600
and

2070
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,880
um that happened uh that was an extra

2071
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:04,880
texture township berkshire lower burst

2072
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:06,239
county and

2073
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:12,400
it had a the guy described it

2074
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:15,920
like a harpoon shape

2075
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:18,320
sticking out the nose of the very point

2076
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:19,600
of the triangle

2077
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:21,840
and he said it was about almost half the

2078
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,679
size of the triangle which was huge in

2079
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:25,280
his estimations

2080
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:28,000
and uh so i took the first report and

2081
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:28,400
then

2082
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,120
six weeks later he and nine other people

2083
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:33,760
witnessed the same thing

2084
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:36,640
in a different same same basic area with

2085
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,320
maybe 10 miles

2086
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:40,400
but um they were standing in the parking

2087
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:41,760
lot of boss gobs

2088
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:43,280
really just shooting the breeze just

2089
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:44,800
folks that knew each other

2090
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:48,159
and there it goes in another direction

2091
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:51,440
very dark in color no lights whatsoever

2092
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:54,000
it was a daytime sighting and it just

2093
01:17:02,870 --> 01:16:56,159
kind of

2094
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:02,880
shot away go on

2095
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:04,320
he said it's almost like it disappeared

2096
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,760
but he said it didn't he said it

2097
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:06,960
actually

2098
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:08,880
turned and moved forward before it just

2099
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:14,550
so triangles triangles and orbs are the

2100
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:16,159
biggest thing being seen right now

2101
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:17,920
and the orbs are being seen very close

2102
01:17:21,750 --> 01:17:20,080
to the ground any i've seen reports of

2103
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:21,760
500 feet and less

2104
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:27,350
reports of these things following people

2105
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:29,040
home

2106
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:32,239
that's a little scary uh but it's

2107
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:35,679
um biggest thing right now

2108
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:40,159
uh is uh the creature sightings

2109
01:17:42,830 --> 01:17:41,520
i mean i mean they're just not here in

2110
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:42,840
pennsylvania they're all over the

2111
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:45,600
country not so much exactly what we have

2112
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:46,800
but close

2113
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,320
uh yeah they really are all over the

2114
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:50,880
place yeah they're everywhere

2115
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:53,280
and i don't know what brought that on

2116
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:55,040
and and another thing that's

2117
01:18:01,590 --> 01:17:58,239
kind of um weird

2118
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:01,600
uh the sightings of bigfoot

2119
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,640
have kind of weaned down a bit

2120
01:18:08,149 --> 01:18:06,800
but sightings of abductions are not

2121
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:08,159
sightings but abductions

2122
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:10,880
in general have picked up over the last

2123
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:16,950
uh you know i had somebody asked me the

2124
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:18,719
other day that davis david pilates may

2125
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:22,159
be dealing with one of these creatures

2126
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:25,199
you know i don't know i have no idea

2127
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:27,600
you know i've read his stuff i've read

2128
01:18:32,470 --> 01:18:30,480
his reports and i've looked at stuff but

2129
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:32,480
you know how would you even say that i

2130
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:34,400
mean these people are never found so

2131
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:35,840
now if you find somebody that's laying

2132
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:37,440
there and they're shredded

2133
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:38,960
if they can prove it wasn't a bear and

2134
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,480
it was something other than a bear

2135
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:42,400
well not those parts of the country in

2136
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:43,840
the midwest and

2137
01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:46,640
the west and the west and northwest i

2138
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:48,080
mean you've got an abundance of

2139
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:50,320
wolves of all varieties you've got

2140
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:52,159
you've got some huge bears out there

2141
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:54,080
you know they'll take your head off with

2142
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:55,520
one swipe

2143
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:58,239
and uh but it's like one guy was talking

2144
01:19:01,590 --> 01:18:59,679
to a game commission officer

2145
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,600
i've been out of many many years i knew

2146
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:03,360
him when i was a police officer and he

2147
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:04,719
he was saying to me says you know he

2148
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:06,320
says because i asked him about that and

2149
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:07,440
he said

2150
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:12,880
drag you off somewhere it'll just

2151
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,880
munch on you like a sandwich he said

2152
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:16,000
it's not gonna rip you apart

2153
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:18,320
he said oh it may take a leg off and you

2154
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,920
know like a turkey dinner but he said

2155
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:21,120
other than that he said the body's

2156
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:23,040
pretty much intact

2157
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:24,880
he said a wolf it'll go for the soft

2158
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,640
spots and it'll leave

2159
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:28,880
it'll fill up and it'll go and then you

2160
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:35,910
these ones that go away and disappear i

2161
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:37,199
mean i've been i've been researching

2162
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:38,960
that since

2163
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:42,560
2008 2007 and that number

2164
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:44,960
never changes i mean there's just

2165
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:46,400
thousands and thousands of people i mean

2166
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:48,320
we spoke about this before on the show i

2167
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:50,480
mean it just uh

2168
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:52,320
there's no rhyme or reason to it i mean

2169
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:54,320
they're just gone they just don't exist

2170
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:00,070
well i have a lot of opinions on a lot

2171
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:02,719
of things like that but uh

2172
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:05,520
you know who's to say what's right and

2173
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:10,950
you know i i there's a lot of stuff we

2174
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:13,120
don't know it's a lot of stuff

2175
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:16,719
that can't be explained maybe one day

2176
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:18,239
will be explained

2177
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,480
you know maybe we're just thinking with

2178
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:22,560
the dog man or any type of creature

2179
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:24,080
similar to that

2180
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:25,440
who knows what we're going to run into

2181
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:27,280
we're fine maybe we'll never

2182
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:30,880
find a thing but i mean it's just say

2183
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:32,719
you know and and most people will tell

2184
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:34,639
you well you're chasing dreams you're

2185
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:35,840
chasing

2186
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:39,840
well yeah okay

2187
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:41,199
we'll give you the benefit of doubt on

2188
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:42,960
that but the thing is

2189
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:44,880
there are way too many people out there

2190
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:46,000
that are very serious

2191
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:49,280
about this and and whether it be

2192
01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:50,320
cryptids

2193
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:57,510
and all these folks are reporting this

2194
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:58,960
you know these are just not residents

2195
01:21:01,669 --> 01:21:00,159
from the local uh

2196
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:01,679
insane asylum that were let loose in the

2197
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:03,600
afternoon and call you at night

2198
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:05,199
i mean these people a lot of these

2199
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:07,040
people are professionals uh

2200
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:09,600
some are you know pilots some are police

2201
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:11,840
officers some are doctors lawyers

2202
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:14,719
i mean yeah every now and then you'll

2203
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,239
get your oddball that you know

2204
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:18,320
starts out the story with you know i've

2205
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:19,760
seen this tooth fairy and i'm thinking

2206
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:21,120
like okay

2207
01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:24,800
but um but most of the reports most

2208
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,840
well in all of these reports that i've

2209
01:21:30,390 --> 01:21:28,560
seen and read

2210
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:30,400
i mean all these people are credible i

2211
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:32,080
mean i don't see anything in there and

2212
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:33,520
there's a lot of catchphrases that you

2213
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:34,159
can catch them

2214
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:37,120
on you know a lot of open-ended and

2215
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:38,480
closed-end questions but

2216
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:40,400
uh no these people aren't they're

2217
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:42,400
they're passing that test so

2218
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,800
whatever they're seeing they're seeing

2219
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:46,320
although the descriptions may be a

2220
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:46,880
little

2221
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:49,120
off in one way or the other they're very

2222
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:50,159
very similar

2223
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:51,600
and the one that sticks with me all the

2224
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:54,400
time is the glowing yellow eyes

2225
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:57,600
not red i've read bigfoot reports that

2226
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:59,360
say you know glowing red eyes glowing

2227
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:01,280
red eyes some dog mirror reports glowing

2228
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:02,560
red eyes

2229
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:04,880
all the reports we got pretty much all

2230
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:06,480
with the exception of one or two

2231
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:08,480
all have the glowing yellow eyes or

2232
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:09,600
amber

2233
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:14,000
so yeah that's fairly universal

2234
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:16,159
i mean um you know anywhere from that

2235
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:17,440
we've gotten reports

2236
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,480
it's uh the yellow eyes

2237
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:22,400
yeah and i don't i don't understand it

2238
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:24,239
because you know when i

2239
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:25,440
when i was talking to the folks out

2240
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:27,280
there in oklahoma

2241
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:29,199
by the way are just so gracious is

2242
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:30,960
unbelievable and they're very concerned

2243
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:32,320
about our safety

2244
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:35,440
uh we're saying you know the glowing

2245
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:38,000
yellow eyes he said if it's daytime

2246
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:41,040
and one does saunder in and you know

2247
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:42,560
start to talk and all this stuff he said

2248
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:43,679
you know what to do there's different

2249
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:44,320
things that

2250
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:46,320
you can tell what's going on but he said

2251
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:48,880
they will be wearing dark glasses

2252
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:50,800
he said of some sort either sunglasses

2253
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:53,520
or or maybe snow glasses or something

2254
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:54,800
like that in the wintertime so but their

2255
01:22:58,390 --> 01:22:56,239
eyes will be covered and he said their

2256
01:23:02,870 --> 01:22:58,400
eyes are covered for a reason because

2257
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:02,880
those eyes which are adept for darkness

2258
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:05,040
you know he said they're like infrared

2259
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:06,800
he said they're not very they don't do

2260
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:09,040
very well in bright sunlight

2261
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:12,960
and um you know so

2262
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:15,360
we took some precautions there and you

2263
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:16,400
know a friend of mine

2264
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:18,159
uh that doesn't work for the u.s

2265
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:19,679
government uh sent me a piece of

2266
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:21,199
equipment to use in case that does

2267
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:22,480
happen

2268
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:25,760
uh so we got some surprises and uh

2269
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:31,430
well shaw i think we may wrap this up

2270
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:33,280
tonight it's been a pretty good show

2271
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:35,040
it's been a great show and i'm i'm

2272
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:36,320
thankful butch that you

2273
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:38,639
jumped on here and spent the entire show

2274
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,000
with us talking about this

2275
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:42,400
upcoming dogman event and and just a

2276
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:43,920
dogman case in general because it's

2277
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:45,520
really important that

2278
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:47,280
we bring the listeners up to speed on

2279
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:48,960
everything that's been going on behind

2280
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:51,920
the scenes and and and the plans to

2281
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:55,920
uh get some answers behind this mystery

2282
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:57,600
yeah it's it's it's very important to

2283
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:59,520
share the information because you know

2284
01:24:02,070 --> 01:24:00,719
maybe somebody that's just listening to

2285
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:02,080
the show or somebody else or is not

2286
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:03,199
listening to the show but their buddy

2287
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:04,719
did and they you know bring it up and

2288
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:07,199
you know that might bring back a memory

2289
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:07,920
or maybe

2290
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:09,679
bring back a bring up another location

2291
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:11,520
we should be looking at

2292
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,520
or something strange that they saw in

2293
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:15,760
the woods maybe the carcass of a deer or

2294
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:18,080
maybe a bear tore up you know

2295
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:19,120
there ain't too many things out there is

2296
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:21,520
going to tear up a bear

2297
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:23,840
and uh that was one thing i was really

2298
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:25,120
looking for i was looking for

2299
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:27,760
any type of you know uh the bear towers

2300
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,199
that were found that were tore up pretty

2301
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:30,960
bad

2302
01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:36,790
one of the thing things that really

2303
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:38,800
sticks out a lot is

2304
01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:40,239
that these things really don't have a

2305
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:42,480
lot of etiquette when they're eating

2306
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:45,199
they just rip and tear so that's another

2307
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:46,560
thing we're going to be looking for like

2308
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:48,320
i said you know bones with chew marks

2309
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:50,000
and stuff like that

2310
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:51,760
and we have a dissection kit in the in

2311
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:53,440
the truck and we have all i mean we have

2312
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:54,719
everything we need to protect the

2313
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:56,159
evidence so

2314
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:59,360
we've already got a sign a science guy

2315
01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:00,960
that will uh take a look at everything

2316
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:02,080
for us so

2317
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:04,880
and you know we even got a microscope on

2318
01:25:07,510 --> 01:25:06,000
the truck we need to really look at

2319
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:07,520
something really close there

2320
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:10,320
so hoping it all goes well and we don't

2321
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:12,880
lose sean in the woods

2322
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:14,400
that never happens no matter how hard

2323
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:18,800
they try pennsylvania's csi

2324
01:25:24,629 --> 01:25:23,280
dog man csu he had dog man

2325
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:24,639
well butch thank you very much for

2326
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:27,679
joining us lon a great show tonight guys

2327
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:29,520
but before we go on as much as you and i

2328
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:30,800
like to be great stewards for the

2329
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:31,760
paranormal

2330
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:34,159
we also like to be stewards uh for the

2331
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,199
world we live in

2332
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:37,520
and uh if folks you know no matter how

2333
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:38,480
down you're feeling

2334
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:41,760
and yeah you know life gets in the way

2335
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,840
and you feel like you've got nowhere to

2336
01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:45,040
turn to

2337
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:46,639
uh you know there's help out there for

2338
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:48,480
you you can call the national suicide

2339
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:52,560
prevention lifeline at 1-800-273-talk

2340
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:53,920
someone's always out there for you to

2341
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:55,760
listen uh

2342
01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:58,159
we want to make sure everybody's uh

2343
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:59,679
everybody's got someone to talk to

2344
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:00,800
out there and we're also gonna be

2345
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,800
partnering with feeding america

2346
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,239
you know every dollar you donate to

2347
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:06,960
feeding america provides 11 meals

2348
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:08,880
for folks in need so just stay tuned to

2349
01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:11,040
the website arcaneradio.com

2350
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:13,760
so you can uh connect with those uh very

2351
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:14,800
important

2352
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:18,880
leave you on a down note but you know as

2353
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:20,159
much as we like to talk about the world

2354
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:21,280
of the paranormal the world of the

2355
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:23,120
living needs us just as much

2356
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:25,760
so until next week folks uh well

2357
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:27,040
actually not next week next week we

2358
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:29,040
won't be doing a show though

2359
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:30,239
next week the studio will be getting a

2360
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:32,239
little bit of a makeover so

2361
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:33,840
uh we won't be doing that but we'll

2362
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:35,120
catch us the following week go to

2363
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:36,400
facebook.com

2364
01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:39,199
arcane radio check us out and for the

2365
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,239
latest information

2366
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:42,560
folks thanks for listening good night